Holotypic form of Fantastica

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Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Coqui » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:30 pm

UE is supposedly importing these soon to the U.S. Has anyone had the pleasure of working with these.
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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:37 pm

I just saw that pic the other day. Supposedly not too crazy priced either.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Coqui » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:10 pm

The band grabbed my attention. Hopefully, somebody has had the pleasure of working with these and can share their experience.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:11 pm

Fantastica is not rare in our hobby already, I believe.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Coqui » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:22 pm

Agree, not rare, however I have never seen this specific morph before. Phil would you suggest pretty much same behavior as the fantastica in our hobby?

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:24 pm

I never had them. Vents, Vanzos and Veradero are my only thumbs.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby BlueDacnis1 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:33 pm

I was under the assumption that these were the original Nominal morph of Ranitomeya fantastica!

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Coqui » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:41 pm

Yes, they are calling them True Nominal Fantastica

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby BlueDacnis1 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:44 pm

I have been trying to find these for years, only one that i have found that was close was the veredaro fants. Here is another picture of the nominal
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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby BlueDacnis1 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:45 pm

do you know when they will be released

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby pa.walt » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:29 pm

should be coming in February sometime. write to understory for their price list. they also have very few Silverstone for sale.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby rcteem » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:15 am

pa.walt wrote:should be coming in February sometime. write to understory for their price list. they also have very few Silverstone for sale.


I didn't see silverstonei on the list. Maybe they all got bought already.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby goods » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:00 am

Coqui wrote:UE is supposedly importing these soon to the U.S. Has anyone had the pleasure of working with these.


No, this is the first ever legal release of this locale of fantastica. These have never openly been in the US.
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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby Coqui » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:36 am

Very tempting, thank you all for the info.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby pa.walt » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:27 pm

rcteem wrote:
pa.walt wrote:should be coming in February sometime. write to understory for their price list. they also have very few Silverstone for sale.


I didn't see silverstonei on the list. Maybe they all got bought already.

there was a mention of them on their newsletter I got.

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby rcteem » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:05 am

I saw that but then not listed on the list. I did see Columbian Auratus on the list though :)

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Re: Holotypic form of Fantastica

Postby joneill809 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:58 pm

I've been researching R. fantastica "true nominal" after picking up a few earlier this month. I found a copy of the original article and first drawing here:
http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/286 ... 2/mode/1up
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Here is the text from his original description:
Boulenger, G. A. (1884). On a collection of frogs from Yurimaguas, Huallaga River, Northern Peru. Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, 1883, 635-638. doi:10.1111/j.1469-7998.1883.tb06669.x
4. Dendrobates fantasticus, sp. n. (Plate LVII, fig. 3.)
Closely allied to D. tinctorius and reticulatus, but differing from the former by the longer limbs, the tarso-metatarsal articulation reaching beyond the tip of the snout, and from both by the belly being granulate. Head to fore limbs above and below yellow ; humerus above, and the borders of the yellow colour white ; the rest of the body and limbs black, with wide-meshed grey reticulation. Male with a subgular vocal sac. From snout to vent 20 millim.

It's fascinating seeing the original artwork from 125+ years ago. It's sad that they likely won't be there 125 years from now if the deforestation UE noted on their site continues.
Understory Enterprises wrote:Described by Boulenger 1883 from specimens colleced near Yurimaguas. Extensive searching by ourselves and other interested colleagues has until recently failed to find a fantastica with the solid coloured head as depicted in its description near the vicinity of Yurimaguas. However, Evan Twomey , in July 2011 found several specimens within a few kilometers of Yurimaguas, which appear to be a perfect match of the long lost holotypic form of fantastica. The gently undulating terrain in the vicinity of Yurimaguas has been heavily deforested in recent generations as is the case near any major city in Peru, and this has led to a severely diminished range for this morph.
Jim from Austin please contact me if you are willing to trade offspring from:
lorenzo - schwinn line|NAIB true sips|fantastica nominant
http://www.oneillscrossing.com/dart-frogs/


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