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Re: ***STRESS !!!!! ***

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:32 pm
by cbreon
Philsuma wrote:The new hobbyists look here on the Forum for help and guidance. They look for best practices and experienced members to recommend things and speak up.

the last thing we need to do is keep giving them 'a green light' to put 2-3 OR MORE frogs in a ten gallon fishy tank.

That's typically my mindset when discussing these things. Its not what is possible, its what gives the average hobbyist the best chance for success. This is a point that seems to be frequently missed by the 10g die hard crew.

Re: ***STRESS !!!!! ***

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:11 pm
by Philsuma
If you just received your frogs NOT expect to see them out and about. It can take weeks to months for them to acclimate.


Re: ***STRESS !!!!! ***

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:45 am
by Philsuma
An excellent idea to combat stress and the newly acquired frogs is to:

1. Do NOT harass them, touch them, spray them directly, feed them so many flies that they are crawling all over the tank.

2. DO make them comfortable by covering the front of the enclosure or otherwise preventing them from feeling too exposed and 'out in the open'.

3. DO cut back or even totally eliminate top / high lighting. All plants will do just fine with nothing more than ambient light (unless you are in a basement or closet) for at least a week or two.

Turning off your tank top lighting for a week or more as the frogs acclimate is an excellent idea.

Re: ***STRESS !!!!! ***

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:14 am
by Philsuma
On stress...

Stress just may be the #1 killer of frogs in Captivity. Parasites and Disease gain footholds and cause mortality based on stress present in the animal. Overall health declines rapidly in proportion to stress.

Even a 'happily mated' pair of frogs will endure stress. Stress is part of everyday life for these animals. As long as they come in contact with each other = stress. Mating = Stress. Just because your pair of frogs is laying eggs, doesn't mean they are living a happy carefree existence.

Although this genus of frogs is often found in high densities, this does not equate to being able to stuff them into 10 gallon sized enclosures. In situ, they have a myriad of places to flee, retreat and hide. Most people's vivariums, especially new hobbyists' are VERY BARE.

Let's just take an arbitrary number of possible hides, retreats and visual barriers available in their native environment....say, 12. 12 different options are quickly and easily available. How many can be replicated in a 10 gallon, which is actually more like a 7 gallon, when hardscaped...? Nowhere near 12. Probably nowhere near 6. Most likely 1 or 2.

On 'Combating':

Combating (wrestling in our hobby, as frogs do not have teeth and claws) is necessary for good reproductive health. As far as I am aware it is more of a reptilian reproductive issue than an amphibian. Male turtles combating come to mind. I think I read a paper that stated combating did not occur or NEED to occur in frogs for reproductive effectiveness. Ed or Roman could def chime in here on this issue.

My opinion? If you see 'wrasslin' once or twice , you can be sure it's happening @ ten times as much - that you don't see. It's not nessa for the frogs and is Always a stressor that needs to be addressed as per the individual keeper (owner) and his or her abilities and needs.

Re: ***STRESS !!!!! ***

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:37 pm
by Philsuma
If you 'just got yer froggies', they can hide and be hard to find for WEEKS, maybe a month or more. Very common, and if your tank is minimally planted, then they will hide even more so.