Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

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Postby MacMyers » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:21 am

PGB wrote:well the secret is this......

nearly every petstore in the UK sells crickets from pin heads to adult. un like the USA crikets are packed in containers and sold as is where as the US stores sell them buy the criket in most cases.

pin heads get sold in the same way, another thing i missed about the Uk live food suppliers is the fact they sell Locust (not for dart frogs) and i have never found locust for sale in the US.


Some pet stores in the US are starting to carry prepackaged Crickets under a company name called "BugBox". Comes with a food and water source and lasts a bit over a week. All you do is open the end and shake out a few. Petco carries them near me and Petstupid is testing them in a few stores now.

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Postby PGB » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:06 pm

didnt realize how many nasties they carried :shock:

just glad I dont use them for the darts.....

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Postby MacMyers » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:20 pm

PGB wrote:didnt realize how many nasties they carried :shock:

just glad I dont use them for the darts.....



I've had zero problems raising my own from removed from the enclosure females. I've raised them since 1995. I've fed them to Pogona Vitticeps, Various Chameleo and Furcifer species, Waxy Monkey Frogs, Green Tree and Cuban Tree Frogs, along with Blue White's, a few Agama and Anoles species, and a Green Iguana before I knew better. No nasties at all. I think it's mostly a husbandry issue. It seems as if most other food sources would be susceptible to certain problems as well under the wrong conditions.
I looking into Darts now and I'll certainly use them as part of the most varied diet I can provide.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:55 am

I used to buy the occasional 500-1000 count Cricket tub at all the Reptile shows I go and feed these out right away as a different or supplemental food item. Not anymore.

You have to be very careful, because the pinhead today can easily become the giant Weta sized bug in just a few short months of hiding out on the 'lamb in the viv and not getting eaten. Been there - seen it.

And as for Dart Frogs subsisting solely on Fruit Flies ? Absolutely and without problem as long as the superfine powders rotation is adequate. Terribilis and big darts too? Yep. A couple MD breeders have great success with just melanogaster even !

No need for crickets...ever. They are more problematic as a dart frog feeder. I don't ever recommend them.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby pa.walt » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:47 am

i think the biggest problem people have with crickets is beinng able to buy the correct size. not many places have say pinheads and they are pinheads. also when you feed you don't dump alot in like you do with flys. when i feed flys i put alot more in than crickets.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:28 pm

I would never recommend Crix for Dart Frogs, even larger species.

Scott M breeds an insane amount of large tincs, terribs and bicolors on nothing but melanogaster. No crickets.

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Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby BcsTx » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:10 pm

Phil I feed all of my frogs Mel's including my mints, they are happy and breeding.
I think the main point is ffy's are a staple and necessary for darts. Need to learn how to culture them BEFORE buying dart frogs.
Mentioned in this thread about nasties crickets carry one is "coccidia" which is incurable in darts and easily spread from one viv to another.
Just my .02
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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:41 pm

Fruit Flies are THE necessary staple for the Dart Frog hobby. If you try to feed nothing but pin head crickets, you will fail. The frogs will most likely die. It's just that simple of a warning.

Don't want/like/think ya need to culture fruit flies ? Pick another animal hobby, perhaps goldfish.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:02 pm

Do not feed crickets -even 'pinheads' to young frogs. They eat small mites and ants and soft arthopods in the wild. They do not normally encounter and eat crix in the wild. There are numerous problems even death, attributed to trying to feed crickets to dart frogs.

To have success with Dart Frogs, you MUST be willing to learn how to culture Fruit Flies. MUST.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:02 pm

Yeah, no...

Don't attempt to make Crickets of 'Crix" a staple of your Dart Frog's diet.

Bad things can happen:

1. Impaction. Crickets are not a normal prey item of dart frogs. In the wild, they eat small, even tiny, soft bodied arthropods. Crickets are 'hard' and could cause impaction and rectal prolapse.

2. Coccidia. Crickets are 'germ-y" heh. They are.

3. The tiny escaped crix will grow to large size in the tank and may bite and chew on your frogs. Marcus Breece showed me a couple tanks at his facility where roaches ate some frogs.

4. Smelly and gross. Enough said.

Stick to fruit flies. The majority of Crix people are lazy and trying to buy, instead of make, their dart frog's food. Buying instead of making, is a FAIL waiting to happen. This ain't the goldfish hobby folks - jars of food. Ya gotta MAKE fruit fly cultures or else things will not go well...

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby pa.walt » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:47 pm

Well Phil, I guess you are calling me lazy then.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:36 am

if the shoe fits Walt...

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby pa.walt » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:23 am

when I use to feed PINHEAD crickets I never had big ones growing up. like I wrote before you don't dump 200 crickets in a ten gallon tank. my fruit fly cultures smelled more than my cricket containers. also you are saying when marcus showed me tanks were ROACHES bothering the frogs. the other reason I fed crickets is I would get them for free. the main reason I liked crickets is they stay on the floor of the tank and don't run up the sides seconds after you put them in.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:58 am

Roaches, Crickets....same thing. Both capable of injuring if not consuming a dart frog.

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Fri May 20, 2016 9:28 am

People are looking for an excuse to not culture fruit flies. If someone is that lazy- to not be able to culture food and you KNOW they will not culture crickets or crix either.

So we are going to take them at their word that they will either order by mail, tiny pinheads or go to the 'store' or reptile show to get pinheads every 3 weeks.

yeah...no...

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Re: Pinhead Crickets better than FF ?

Postby Philsuma » Sat May 21, 2016 1:14 pm

Philsuma wrote:Yeah, no...

Don't attempt to make Crickets of 'Crix" a staple of your Dart Frog's diet.

Bad things can happen:

1. Impaction. Crickets are not a normal prey item of dart frogs. In the wild, they eat small, even tiny, soft bodied arthropods. Crickets are 'hard' and could cause impaction and rectal prolapse.

2. Coccidia. Crickets are 'germ-y" heh. They are.

3. The tiny escaped crix will grow to large size in the tank and may bite and chew on your frogs. Marcus Breece showed me a couple tanks at his facility where roaches ate some frogs.

4. Smelly and gross. Enough said.

Stick to fruit flies. The majority of Crix people are lazy and trying to buy, instead of make, their dart frog's food. Buying instead of making, is a FAIL waiting to happen. This ain't the goldfish hobby folks - jars of food. Ya gotta MAKE fruit fly cultures or else things will not go well...


Not Dogma at all. All of the above CAN happen. I absolutely choose to believe in all those negative possibilities.


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