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O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:26 pm

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Girlwithafrogtattoo » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:47 pm

They've got some neat looking splotches on their backs. Not sure if there is a technical name for "splotches".

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:08 pm

dreamcatcer98 wrote:They've got some neat looking splotches on their backs. Not sure if there is a technical name for "splotches".


Yep...they are "Variable" in pattern, that's for sure.

"Speckled" - black half moon marks or tic marks
"Reticulated" - kind of a "webbing" or swirls

and to boot....the "solids" will also throw a speckled ect every so often.

I like them all.

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Girlwithafrogtattoo » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:17 pm

got it! Thanks for explaining that :)

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Thu May 19, 2011 4:31 pm

some of the" Reddish" froglets...

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Thu May 19, 2011 4:33 pm

some addtional info on patterns:

Eldorado means "gold" and most all of these frogs have a deep orange colour, some being a little lighter - possibly considered yellow even. I don't think many people considered this morph to have any true red, but "reddish" colour representation / some froglets do look very red (above).

The two main patterns / "types" of eldorado are the (1) more or less solid - possibly some reticulation (webbing pattern on dorsal) and the (2) small black "speckled" half moon shaped marks on the dorsal.

Both patterns can be bred together (think Basti's) and both patterns seem to throw both pattern types as well, although I have seen the speckled pattern stay more consistant but the solids can and will absolutely throw some speckled patterns.

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby RichFrye » Thu May 19, 2011 8:26 pm

Philsuma wrote:...Both patterns can be bred together (think Basti's) ...


How do you know this Phil? When I think Bastis, I think Cemetary, Salt Creek, RFB...and I know there are differences in these and they should not to be bred together. Not knowing the differeces with the 'el dorado' geographical divisions means all guess work, especially when no site local data is given or studied yet.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby RichFrye » Thu May 19, 2011 8:34 pm

Now, if you mean that one pair can throw both spotted and solids and these specific frogs can be bred to each other, then yes, I agree two known different patterned siblings can be bred.
But, these are not known well enough to manage them in any proper way. The territory is huge and varried. Just like Cauchero, Esperanza, and Darklnads morphs.

One for the guys who think "2011 el dorado, 2010, 2009, ect." is good enough info for breeding purposes, what the heck makes anybody think ALL of the orange frogs (be the labeld BriBri or 'el dorado'...) came and come from the same area , each year. Absurd thinking.
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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Thu May 19, 2011 10:16 pm

Rich,

You know the answers to all your questions already. They are F1 from typical imports, managed the same way that 98% of the hobby manages imports and import progeny - by importer info, import year and lastly, by physical description.

If you want to start another thread on "Best Guesses", imports ect....feel free to do so.

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby RichFrye » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:52 pm

Philsuma wrote:Rich,

You know the answers to all your questions already. They are F1 from typical imports, managed the same way that 98% of the hobby manages imports and import progeny - by importer info, import year and lastly, by physical description.

If you want to start another thread on "Best Guesses", imports ect....feel free to do so.


All of my points and questions were relevant to the thread , as soon as you started adding your interpretation of how to breed them.
If you want a fluff thread, I will go away

Nice viv,
nice pums,
congrats...
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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby thedude » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:56 am

Just to mention again as I did in another thread, the 2008 import of "Dorados" is actually from Las Tablas and should be kept separate from all the others. They are generally a bit bigger with more spots. Very nice frogs.
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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby cbreon » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:39 am

Hey Adam, I have heard you say that before, and I agree with you, but has someone actually confirmed Las Tablas origins?

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:02 am

I think we are relying on CvDL's awesome picture book for the 'Tablas' I.D...

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby cbreon » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:20 am

Yeah, and I agree, the combination of phenotype and size makes it very likely. Their size of ~26-27mm makes them the biggest pumilio I know of....But can we just start calling them 'Las Tablas,' that seems like a very slippery slope. I suppose calling them 2008 sndf eldorado 'las tablas' seems better than spotted eldorado. Furthermore, I would like to see people only breeding the 2008's as oppose to mixing them with the gold eldoardo of different imports which are smaller ~24-25mm...just my two cents

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby thedude » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:03 am

It's not from pictures. It's from a reliable source. I'll let them chyme in if they want.
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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:44 pm

Share the info. That's the only way the hobby can grow.

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby cbreon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:13 pm

info...info...info...info...info

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby sidney ferrell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:01 pm

thedude wrote:It's not from pictures. It's from a reliable source. I'll let them chyme in if they want.

Las tablas is mainland panama no?

Sorry to take it off subject, but are these like "mainland" cristobal? Is there a mainland cristobal and where is it if so?

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:02 pm

It's gotta be an inland population just due to it's large size alone.

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Re: O.pumilio "Eldorado" morph pics

Postby thedude » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:08 pm

They are from the mainland, and within the "El Dorado" range, although people should be aware that is a large range with many mini populations within, like with Las Tablas. They were collected on a friends ranch there. Marcus has told several people this who have asked apparently.
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