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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:37 am

Well 2015E was a bit more productive than I thought. They must be stashing eggs outside the coco hut, because I found these two guys swimming around the deposition pool:
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This was the first set of transported Lorenzo for me. I know my other groupings had the opportunity to transport in the past because they don't always deposit in the huts, but this pairing (dominant UE male, dominant Stewart female) were the first to do it successfully.

Here's the pool area:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby DianeCarter » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:21 am

Congratulations, Jim!
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:37 pm

joneill809 wrote:
  • 2015C-1ss.1ss – original A group reduced to 1.1 Stewart animals
  • 2015D-1ue.1ss – original B group reduced to 1.1 UE male with Stewart female
  • 2015E-1ue.1ss – dominant UE male paired with dominant SS female

Got some good feedback today on modifying my tracking codes. I'm thinking of adding the prefix of "JO-LRZ-" so that a reference code for a froglet group would be JO-LRZ-2015D-1ue.1ss. This should avoid confusion if we start using this code structure more widely in the Lorenzo keepers community.

I don't think it's likely to accurately track the individual animals, but I could add another numeric ID to the end to represent froglets. So something like JO-LRZ-2015D-1ue.1ss-01 would give me a way to track animals that I shipped out to different folks. Right now the parent codes are most important, but I'm noodling on the numeric sequence too. Feedback is always welcome.

Can't have a Lorenzo post without a picture :) ... hunting in Peperomia trinervula:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:11 am

I have a concern with two of my UE animals, one male from 2009 that I acquired last fall and one suspected female that I picked up this spring. Both have growths - the male has a bump on his side, and the suspected female has a bump on her face. Here are pictures of the suspected female:
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My inclination is to pull them from my breeding program since I am not sure what this is. They are outwardly healthy and the male is going on six years old so it seems like they both will do just fine. Would others agree with my strategy to not breed them?

Any other Lorenzo keepers seeing this from their UE animals?
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:45 am

My first guess for a bump is a sub cut worm. Were these wild caught?

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:09 am

No, CB by UE. the animal pictured is a juvenile - my guess is ~8 months old based on size / my experience with Lorenzo. The male with a bump on his side (not pictured) is six years old and CB by UE as well. I will try to get pictures of him but he is shy.

It's just strange that I have two UE line animals six years apart with growths. I can shoot a note to UE and see if they have seen this with their Lorenzo before but I figured I'd see if anyone else has seen this before.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:08 am

Caught something last night I had not seen before ... a Lorenzo transport! Since 2015E seemed to be doing well transporting I figured I would let 2015C give it a go:
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The male on top of the hut.

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The female checking things out....

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:42 am

It may not look different, but this little guy is special to me. It's my first froglet OOW from my JO-LRZ-2015E-1ue.1ss grouping - offspring from my first non-sibling pairing:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:27 am

My new UE juveniles are growing out nicely. I hope to have them paired up with Stewart animals toward the end of the year. One female is looking really neat - she's really dark with a small crest. The pictures are a bit blurry because it's pretty dark in the grow out...but I put them up here because the color differences were interesting.
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This is the first female Lorenzo I have with little to no blue coloring on her belly. She also has the smallest crest of the 10 adults / sub-adults I have.
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Here's a suspected male under the same lighting conditions. Notice the yellow crest and brighter blues. Overall the proven males I have all show this type of coloration, while the females are darker with less pronounced crests.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Gope » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:54 pm

Beautiful! I didn't know tincs did the piggy back transport?

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:13 pm

Yep tinctorius transport as well. It's a good way to control production of prolific morphs. I found my azureus could generate 30+ froglets per month if I pulled clutches. If allowed to transport and morph out in viv I get one every month or two.

I pull Lorenzo eggs though - there are too few of these animals in collections these days so we need to boost their populations a bit.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:41 pm

I've got three sets of clutches at the same time from three different pairings for the first time :).

2015C Stewart x Stewart - proven
2015D UE x Stewart - waiting on a good clutch
2015E UE x Stewart - proven

2015C will get split up at the end of the year when my UE juveniles are grown out. Here's the boring photo of my incubator tubs that has me all excited :lol:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:55 pm

Very nice stewarding these and strengthening the existing lines. Please post your breeder certificate that future owners of these will get some day. I think it's an outstanding effort.

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:40 pm

Thanks Phil! Here's the draft certificate I've been working on that shows the lineages and breeder codes I use. This is the more complicated lineage with the non-sibling pairings I've been slowly working toward. I'm still trying to track down more details on Bill's animals.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:55 pm

Just outstanding! Very happy to see this. A large 'controlling' effort a la frog tracks or ASN didn't work but individual efforts just may be much more effective.

No one knows where Bill S. Got his frogs?

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:19 pm

I have to talk to Chuck and Kris again and draw the tree out. It gets fuzzy in the 90's and early 2000's when the US animals dwindled to Bill's. I have some detailed history from Kris on her animals and Sean's that came from Bill but not much earlier history. That's partly why I was holding back the prototype certificate as I was not sure if I wanted to include the lineage tree on the cert since that may change over time as I document more.

Zach and I were talking the other day about how the stories behind the frogs and who has kept them over the years make these old lines / morphs really interesting. And you really start to understand how critical a few people's efforts were to this morph ... like Bill.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:29 pm

Spoke with Zach (goods) a few months back about infertile clutches I was running into after starting up my Lorenzo again in the spring. He suggested trying Vit A for a few days in a row then switching to once every other week instead of once a month. I also added Dendrocare back into my rotation.

That did the trick and my non-sibling 2015E pairing started producing viable clutches again. Today I found the biggest Lorenzo clutch I have ever seen out of my groups - 8/8 that hatched in viv. Surprisingly my 2015C sibling pair (Stewart / old line) was not impacted by their rotation schedule - they were producing without issue after their break. Anyhow - fellow Lorenzo keepers with infertile clutches may want to experiment with their supplement rotation. Now I just have to get 2015D going :). Thanks Zach!

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