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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:45 pm

great pics of my favourite tinc 'moprh'. Love the head colouration and fade.

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:06 am

Thanks Phil! They are fast becoming a favorite! The contrast between the crest and body won me over - after having them for a while and seeing their personality, it's almost like they came with factory racing stripes ;). I really like the subtle blue tones in their torsos as well. I hope more folks start keeping them. Such a neat little morph.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:01 pm

Figured it was time for an update. I spent some time working on their tank today, removing some cork bark and trimming some plants. They have been hiding more since the tank was a bit over grown. There was a cork bark cave that I had built that became covered with pilea and moss, and they managed to get from one side of the viv to the other, and up most of the background, while staying hidden under the foliage lol. I pulled two pieces of cork out of the viv to open up the floor a bit, removed some pilea and moss, and added a gallon of live oak leaf litter. Despite my best efforts to scare the crap out of them with an alien abduction for a 6 month swab, all four were out eating shortly after the turmoil...see if you can spot them in this lousy cell phone pic:
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If you didn't find them, here are some obnoxious circles pointing them out:
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Here's what the revised viv looks like with a more open floor:
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And a few more cell phone shots of the inhabitants...
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And if it was not for those crests, I'd never spot these guys:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:04 pm

Do you have enough egg deposition sites / bowers ?

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Postby joneill809 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:16 pm

I have not provided them with any yet. They are about a year old. I figured I would wait a bit before giving them a few sites. It's hard to see but there is a decent private area behind that fern and corkbark and there's another good site up in the background. I have two Petri dish sizes that should work for them but I have not offered them up yet. Worst case I can drop a coco hut under the ledge on the right side of the floor.

I figured I would wait until next spring or summer when they hit about 18 months. No calling yet...
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby Philsuma » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:18 pm

ahh..I see. No rush that's for sure. The more size they put on the better to endure the stress of breeding.

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:32 pm

They are hard to judge. At 12 months they are about the size of a 6 month old azureus (about an inch and a quarter, maybe an inch and a half). I'm just guessing that 18 months is the minimum I should wait. They are noticeably bigger now and they are filling out. No rush for me - I am enjoying watching them. Very striking frog, though my family has declared the bakhuis and azureus as their favorites :)
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby pafrogguy » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:32 pm

Great looking tank and frogs! I used to have several pairs of Lorenzos. One of the trickier morphs of tincs to breed for me. They seemed to mature late like my reginas. They tended not to breed until 18 months-2 years. But I got bad eggs and jelly for a good while even then. I'd love to get some more lorenzos but they are not so easy to find these days.

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Postby joneill809 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:55 pm

Thanks for the info Josh! Truly an awesome little morph. I wish they were more popular :). I'll be tracking to 18 to 24 months with them. No rush. Special little guys and I am enjoying the grow out.

I've been redesigning my vivs over the last 6 months using this corkbark design that I liked starting with the bakhuis build. The tincs seem to like it and spend a lot of time climbing. All the vivs are growing in well. This one is slow growing in at the top but the pilea is doing well. Thanks for the comments!
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Postby joneill809 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:52 am

Lorenzos are doing well. They are turning out to be pretty shy, mostly coming out during feeding times then retreating to their hides under the leaf litter, ferns and cork caves. Still my favorites though :)

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Sizing up a jump....

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A few updated shots of the viv:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby pafrogguy » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:54 am

They are such a nice frog! When you do get them going and have offspring, I would gladly take some! :)

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Postby joneill809 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:06 pm

Hey Josh! It's too bad they are not more popular...I'll see if I can help change that! I think I'm 6 to 12 months from eggs. I won't give them any bowers until they are 18 to 24 months (they are a little over a year old now). Beautiful frogs though. I was exchanging email with the breeder about how shy mine are. They said their adults were out all the time, but they too noticed their juveniles were less bold. I hope they get bolder in the coming months - I'd like to see more of them outside of feeding time :)
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Postby joneill809 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:03 pm

Adding more plant updates to these threads. This viv has been growing in nicely. I placed comments in the file descriptions so I could keep the plant names right. I have to look these up every time I post...
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Begonia foliosa - I've had a heck of a time keeping this one going. I have cuttings of this in three vivs, and this is the biggest specimen. I really like the look of it and I'm hoping it takes off. It is planted high in the viv and cascades down while projecting out a few inches. It will be quite dramatic if it takes off.

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Peperomia verschaffeltii - this plant was huge before I re-scaped this viv. It died way back, then began to slowly bounce back. It's doing well high up in the viv and forms a nice hide for a Lorenzo :).

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Hypoestes phyllostachya - another one of those plants that initially did not do well for me but is in the process of recovering. It's a nice little specimen that threw a flower a month or so ago. It still has quite a bit more growing to do before it's in the clear. Right now it's teetering on an upper ledge. Luckily the Lorenzo's have not trampled it. No way this thing would survive with my azureus or sips.


And a few shots of my old standby...Pilea involucrata "Friendship". So this and Peperomia trinervula are about the only plants that consistently do well for me. The pilea friendship and an upside-down fern have created a lower canopy that shield the lower 2/3 of the viv floor that allows the Lorenzos to move around without being seen :( ... but the viv looks nice :)
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby pafrogguy » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:37 pm

I never really thought they were terribly shy. Not as shy as my La Fumee or skittish like my old Citronellas I had. They were not as bold as most of my other tincs, but I have shy frogs. Rio Saladillo which I have only seen maybe twice in a month or so and Summersi which I see one for about 30 seconds a day. That's shy! I noticed some frogs are more bold when they have a mate. Sylvatica I have noticed that with. A lone male is much more reclusive than when he is paired up with a female. And same with the juveniles. They are more reclusive until reaching maturity so maybe they will do the same. Beautiful nevertheless though. And if these are from Sean, I can honestly say his adults are always out and about when I am there.

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby frogface » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:41 pm

Beautiful! :D

My male started calling at around 8 months but he and his mate were over a year old before they started breeding (I want to say around 18 months but I don't recall for sure). Your little guys still look young. Mine stayed young looking like that, too, for quite a while.
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Postby joneill809 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:29 am

pafrogguy wrote:I never really thought they were terribly shy. Not as shy as my La Fumee or skittish like my old Citronellas I had. They were not as bold as most of my other tincs, but I have shy frogs. Rio Saladillo which I have only seen maybe twice in a month or so and Summersi which I see one for about 30 seconds a day. That's shy! I noticed some frogs are more bold when they have a mate. Sylvatica I have noticed that with. A lone male is much more reclusive than when he is paired up with a female. And same with the juveniles. They are more reclusive until reaching maturity so maybe they will do the same. Beautiful nevertheless though. And if these are from Sean, I can honestly say his adults are always out and about when I am there.

Hey Josh! Yeah I am hoping mine will bolden up like Sean's (the parents). They are not complete hermits, but they don't tolerate anyone sitting in front of the viv watching them - if you do walk up to the viv they hop back into their caves and leaf litter. The sips right next door with nearly an identical setup don't care at all. Anyhow I'm in no hurry. They are worth the wait!

frogface wrote:Beautiful! :D

My male started calling at around 8 months but he and his mate were over a year old before they started breeding (I want to say around 18 months but I don't recall for sure). Your little guys still look young. Mine stayed young looking like that, too, for quite a while.


Thanks Kris! They do look small! It's even worse being next to my sips, which just blew by them in size in a few months. I'm enjoying their grow out. They are mostly on hydei with a 4 supplement rotation. They don't put away near the volume of flies the sips do - the Lorenzo's seem to be much more precise in their "hunting" than my big tincs. You're gonna have to post some pics soon of your Lorenzos! Congrats on the results btw, and kudos to your continued diligence :)
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby joneill809 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:27 pm

Well these guys should be about a year old. They are still very small compared to my other tincs. They roost in the cork bark caves at night, so I snapped a few photos tonight just before lights out. I think this one is shaping up to be a female. She's still only about 1.25" long:
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I may have to name this one 'knee pads'. It's had these patches on it's knees since I got it.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby frogface » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:21 pm

Lovely! Lorenzos are smaller than other tincs. Part of what makes them so cool. Like little mini-tincs :D
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Postby joneill809 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:45 pm

Thanks Kris! I've read 40 mm SVL (roughly 1.5") adult size. Was that your experience? About 1.25" for a 1 year old female seems about right. Maybe another quarter inch over the next 6 to 12 months would seem to track. But man they seem tiny when the sips next door come hopping out :)
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorious "Lorenzo" pics

Postby frogface » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:49 pm

Well, my male Lorenzo had a check up a few months ago and weight in at 3 grams. My female Sip, for comparison, weighed almost 9 grams :D
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