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Male____ ?

Postby RichFrye » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:19 pm

What is it?

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Re: Male ????

Postby D3monic » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:21 pm

Mine, let me know when to come pick it up.
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Re: Male ????

Postby itskris » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:25 pm

What kind of frog is this??
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Re: Male ????

Postby RichFrye » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:29 pm

^ , yes.
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Re: Male ????

Postby Philsuma » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:32 pm

Dendrobates vicentei

Possible female

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Re: Male ????

Postby RichFrye » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:39 pm

Philsuma wrote:Dendrobates vicentei

Possible female




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Re: Male ????

Postby RichFrye » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:44 pm

1 -vote San Cristobal Island pum.
1 -Don't know ---(could be the smart bet)
1- Red vincentei. ---Deduction of .25 (if correct) for incorrect guess of possible female, especially after the title.
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Re: Male ????

Postby itskris » Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:02 am

Looks similar to this
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Oophaga sylvatica s.s.
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Re: Male ????

Postby Kerickson978 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:00 am

oophaga sylvatica? the dark patch on the throat looks possible for a male and appears slightly slightly stretched out to me.. got any pics from straight under?

Edit: oh I didnt see that under the pic above he noted it being O. sylvatica as well
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Re: Male ????

Postby RichFrye » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:11 am

I'll try this again.
I'm 100% sure that the pictured frog is a male. There is no doubt. It's a male. Honest.


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Re: Male ????

Postby RichFrye » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:58 am

Interesting how he looks like a different species just by body position, each position...
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Re: Male ????

Postby Kerickson978 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:49 am

Oophaga speciosa?
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Male____ ????

Postby rcteem » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:08 am

My vote is a really cool pattern on a siquirres/ blackjean


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Postby RichFrye » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:04 pm

At least four different species guessed so far. Anyone else have a guess?
If we can't even guess a species correct...is there any 'expert' who really has a big enough ego to think looking at a best guess pum will tell the locale?
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Male____ ????

Postby rcteem » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:12 pm

RichFrye wrote:At least four different species guessed so far. Anyone else have a guess?
If we can't even guess a species correct...is there any 'expert' who really has a big enough ego to think looking at a best guess pum will tell the locale?


I agree, just out of curiosity how many mm is the male???


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Re: Male____ ????

Postby RichFrye » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:02 pm

rcteem wrote:
RichFrye wrote:At least four different species guessed so far. Anyone else have a guess?
If we can't even guess a species correct...is there any 'expert' who really has a big enough ego to think looking at a best guess pum will tell the locale?


I agree, just out of curiosity how many mm is the male???


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25mm , vent to snout.

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Re: Male____ ????

Postby Kerickson978 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:20 pm

Big guy! out of all the locals/moprhs and hundreds of individual frogs we measured snout to vent they varried in length between 16-22mm the largest individual was a female from Almerante and I want to say she was 23mm. I would have to look into my reccords to be sure though.

and that said no I dont beleive its possible ether to accurately decicde what morph/local a pumilio is from looking at it or measuring it. They are just too varible.
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Postby RichFrye » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:24 pm

Kerickson978 wrote:Big guy! out of all the locals/moprhs and hundreds of individual frogs we measured snout to vent they varried in length between 16-22mm the largest individual was a female from Almerante and I want to say she was 23mm. i would have to look into my reccords to be sure though.

and that said no i dont beleive its possible ether to accurately decicde what morph/local a pumilio is from looking at it or measuring it. they are just to varible.


BIG, but not the biggest male. I assume these were Panama frogs/pums? And I assume you did not venture into the contigious area of 'El Dorado'/Bri Bri? What work were you doing?



There's a correct guess in the answers. With even more hints, I'll give people a last chance to jump on the guess train.

It should be known that I could just as easily post pics of dozens of frogs I own and get best guesses for months. And, just as with these high-res pics here people would be vastly wrong in their best guesses of what I present. But hey, that's no reason to stop buying all the cheap, easily managed :roll: , best guess Panama pums. Right?


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Postby Kerickson978 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:32 am

RichFrye wrote:
BIG, but not the biggest male. I assume these were Panama frogs/pums? And I assume you did not venture into the contigious area of 'El Dorado'/Bri Bri? What work were you doing?

No we didnt get into the El Dorado/Bri Bri area.. i wish... we didnt actually spend to much time on the mainland most of our work was spent on Isla Colon. Ive gone down for two different projects, one a general study with JP lawrence, and the other a study on the Evolutionary science behind aposematic colorations, and predation with Justin Yeager.

the locals we have measured weights and SVL (snout to vent length) for include isla Bastimentos( the graveyard outside town, and salt creek), Solarte(hospital point), San Cristobal, Popa (North and South), Loma Partida, Aguacate, Uyama, Robalo, Valiente penninsula(very very similar to the Escudo morph), Cayo de Agua, Pastores, Pelican Key, Almerante, and Escudo de Veraguas.


and no.. no more guessing for me... hahaha it was fun to toss out random ideas but honestly I dont know it looks like a pumilio to me but from where? beats me.
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Re: Male____ ????

Postby RichFrye » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:58 am

Kerickson978 wrote:
RichFrye wrote:
BIG, but not the biggest male. I assume these were Panama frogs/pums? And I assume you did not venture into the contigious area of 'El Dorado'/Bri Bri? What work were you doing?

No we didnt get into the El Dorado/Bri Bri area.. i wish... we didnt actually spend to much time on the mainland most of our work was spent on Isla Colon. Ive gone down for two different projects, one a general study with JP lawrence, and the other a study on the Evolutionary science behind aposematic colorations, and predation with Justin Yeager.

the locals we have measured weights and SVL (snout to vent length) for include isla Bastimentos( the graveyard outside town, and salt creek), Solarte(hospital point), San Cristobal, Popa (North and South), Loma Partida, Aguacate, Uyama, Robalo, Valiente penninsula(very very similar to the Escudo morph), Cayo de Agua, Pastores, Pelican Key, Almerante, and Escudo de Veraguas.


and no.. no more guessing for me... hahaha it was fun to toss out random ideas but honestly I dont know it looks like a pumilio to me but from where? beats me.




What have been labeled 'El Dorado' (and all their multiple breeding populations) , Bri Bri (and all their multiple breeding populations), and Black Jeans all pretty much dwarf most of the Panama locales you mention measuring.

The male frog pictured is a Black Jean . Good guess Chris T.

I have visualy seen , both in person and pictures, many pics of 'El Dorado', 'Bri Bri' , Blue Jeans, and San Cristobal Island pums which could all have passed for clutch-mates of the pictured frog.
At 27mm vent to snout my largest Black male is a giant. I think the Black jeans may well deserve true reclassification.

Once again, this all revolves back to the fact you absolutely can not guess a frog into a pedigree.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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