RichFrye wrote:Also, to come back to the 'social club' aspect of a group.
If anyone thinks that everyone in our hobby belongs in an association formed to promote ethics, lineage tracking, proper husbandry ect., etc., they need to rethink what happens once you let the lions (dirtbags) in...and this hobby (mainly the business end, but more than enough hobby examples also ) has a crap-ton of lions.
If a get together where you drink a few beers and chat about things is what ya want, simple.
If a working union of like minded responsible breeders who have proven themselves on the levels and concerns expressed is what you are looking for, good luck. TWI and all it's 'heavy hitters' tried for years to get it going , somewhat. But in the end they never were even capable of tracking given lineage...with TONS of offered volunteer help, mine included.
Why is it like herding cats to get an association started ? One reason is this hobby happens to attract some of the most bat-shit crazy hobbyists you can imagine, my self included. But also because of the HUGE divergence of wishes, understanding, profit scales, experience, greed, lack of greed, ethics, lack of ethics...in other words, we have a bunch of crazies with totally different wants and needs from the hobby. And, there are plenty of froggers praying there is never any mandated or heavily suggested practices heading their froggin way, at all.
Rich, you have lots of ideas in here, some appears to be based on your experience, which is good. I like when people speak from experience. I do think you are being overly skeptical in your post. The frog hobby has some unique challenges, but by no means is unique. Much of what you describe can be said of most associations for most hobbies.
If I helped found a national organization, which I might if Chicago has any traction, then I might write something like this, which is mostly borrowed:
The American Frog Association is a not-for-profit organization that gathers and disseminates knowledge of frogs. We promote fellowship amongst the membership and further the conservation of frogs and their natural habitats.
I would not want to be part of any lineage tracking or mandated practices.