Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:37 pm

I do not have easy access to almond leafes in my country...
- How would a sheet of Nori cut to size work instead?

I don´t think it works when it comes to the thought of tannins, and colouring the water. But it might work as shelter and supplement to feeding with Spirulina!?

(As for feeding with flakes I recomend feeding Tropical Spirulina as it to my knowledge holds highest content of Spirulina. And to me the one producer being most honest with declaration...)
- Look for the "Forte" as the other is pellets!

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Lady Bullseye » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:51 pm

I've only had it once, and don't remember well, but isn't the nori salty?
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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Lady Bullseye wrote:I've only had it once, and don't remember well, but isn't the nori salty?


Thank you Lisa.

- It is used for some Sushi dishes... And I used it for feeding Surgeon Fishes, and only tasted it once myself!
If it is slightly salty, it will wash out quick in the water. That I would not worry about!

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:26 pm

Spirulina and commercial fish food are excellent for dart frog tadpoles. Some species seem to need a bit....just a bit....more protein and it's usually the non-obligates. Go figure. That's why they "alligator" their siblings. To get more protein to grow. Some hobbyists use cyclopeeze - the shrimp type food, with good success. Tadpole bites have proven to be useful in moderation.

On to Nori. I love sushi and eat nori all the time, but I have to admit, I've never gulped a big sheet or square of it. I have to think it MAY not be an ideal food source as it's seaweed right ? I don't think a dart frog and it's larvae are consuming many foodstuffs related to seaweed.


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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:50 pm

Never gulped a sheet of Nori... No? You are on for a treat then! :lol:
- Nah... Better keep for the surgeon fishes then, and the Sushi! :wink:

Thank you for your attention, I stand corrected!

- I was just thinking not only being a sea weed, but being an algae it might work same as with Spirulina, Chlorella, etc.
(And also it could work as cover!)

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:13 pm

Hmmm, just a thought...
- Since some are "alligatoring" their siblings, maybe a more "meaty" diet should be offered?
Like those who are feeding with Brine shrimps... Thinking since they are carnivorous, they should be fed a protein source from "meat" instead from a green diet?

- Hope I am not side tracking the tread...

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:41 pm

No worries Flemming, it's all on track. Maybe there are people out there that use Nori for dart frog larvae and will post here. I've never heard of it though. Tadpole bits and cyclopeeze have plenty of protein in small amounts. Too much protein is anecdotal / attributed to bloating and trapped gasses in tadpoles.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:42 pm

Ooh... If they suffer easily from getting bloat, I can only stress out not to use the cheapest of flakes.
- Having said that, not even the most expensive ones can call it quality... So read ingredients in % from top telling amounts of each!
And wheat is a cheap ingredient for the producer, also gluten... Etc. And it smells like, well... Bad fish!

- So I´d go with the meaty proteins you mention Phil, also maybe Artemia (Frozen, hatched Cyclops/ Artemia.)
It is not expensive to make quality homemade foods ourselves, only a bit more work...
(And/ or feed them only floating pellets in that way "left overs" can be easily removed to minimize pollution of water!)

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Tadpoles will graze on food that is on the substrate (bottom). I think they do that much more than eat anything that floats.

Detritus and leftover food is never a worry so long as you siphon it up bi-weekly (twice a week). I use a turkey baster and suck up @ 15-20% of the water, never more....and all the large pieces of feces ect. No need for "ultra" clean water.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:21 pm

Aye, of course! :D Thank you!
(My image of a tad pole was just "hanging" in the surface!)
- Never thought I was going to use my Turkey baster since I stopped keeping LPS, and I gave it away!
Just added one more tool to my "need" list! (When I get to that... Slowly, in long time from now!) ;)

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Stu&Shaz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:12 pm

Flemmish some thoughts from England,if you can't get hold of Indian almond then use oak leaves,they work very well. Given the opportunity a dartfrogs tadpole is a killing machine,surprisingly so when one sees that quiet little guy slowly swimming around, it will take live food hunt and kill with a vengeance.live food is good because you have no worries about it polluting your water,but it might carry risks,such as diseases.That said i have seen no problems feeding mosquito larvea and bloodworms plus various other midge larvea all sourced in our garden. you can also make a really good tadpole tea using alder cones,they might be found growing on the banks of rivers in Denmark,like it is found here, it is i'm told much higher in tannins than I.almond and also contain fungicides. Certainly all our tads so far have been good at feeding of the surface,although our first tincs do not seem quite as adept as our auratus luecs and mysties,an observation made today after a feed of cyclops EEZE. We also use other fish foods and vary the diet.Finally I'll add because its important that this is only our first season with dartfrogs,somehow beyond our control we have had lots of tads to care for,and they have turned into lots of little froglets,with very very few problems.I think one has to experiment to find the best method for each case. What works for me might not work for you.
good luck with your projects, oh and your turkey baster will be really useful for removing a bad egg :lol: ,another great dart den tip
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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Flemish » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:30 pm

Aye, greatly appreciated. Thank you Stu, I will!
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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:21 pm

UV light for tadpole growth - good in small does IMO

Go easy on the pure protein, as it's not found in most tad diets in the wild. I doubt that many protein sources, other than the occasional dead / drown insect in the brom or puddle presents itself.

I keep getting the funny mental picture of thousands of azureus tads surrounding a dead caiman and 'rolling' and ripping chunks off it, just like the African Crocodiles on a dead hippo.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Stu&Shaz » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:35 pm

Philsuma wrote:UV light for tadpole growth - good in small does IMO

Go easy on the pure protein, as it's not found in most tad diets in the wild. I doubt that many protein sources, other than the occasional dead / drown insect in the brom or puddle presents itself.

I keep getting the funny mental picture of thousands of azureus tads surrounding a dead caiman and 'rolling' and ripping chunks off it, just like the African Crocodiles on a dead hippo.

Ahh mate I'm glad i'm inspiring you to think a bit lateral,crocs are an exaggeration though....pirainah maybe better, :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: proper funny thanks mate.
Phil ,i'll be serious,with the myriad of life in a rainforest surely every bit of water will be full of life,if i leave a bucket of water for a while here it attracts life,mainly mossi ,but other forms too in no time.now the English ecosystem is infintesimally small compared to a rainforest so surely dart tads do have access to animal protein. Dart tadpoles are geared to this my observations and some reading suggest.Slowly but surely i'm coming to the conclusion that this grub is the best i can get for my tads. Its just so damn fresh,no amino acid/trace element break down etc etc etc.I'm not saying its the complete diet,i don't beleive it is,but it is superb food...RISKS EXCEPTED!!!!!!!!!!!! Phil I've been running some laymans trials with the one tad i have problems with,i can turn out a bigger stronger completely fit tad,in less time than normal and i can't see the drawbacks,the smallest of this trial left me with my mouth open when it took out a hydie 4 days ootw. no the hydie wasn't meant to be fed,I knocked the top on a culture and erm we had a few escapees :oops: . We are rearing tad after tad after tad,losses of tads and frogets are very small,PLUS we are NOVICE,i make no bones about this fact. Add on that the growth of our earliest froglets the sb's is very good at least as big as their parents if not bigger. then its easy to see why i keep coming back with this live wild grub,in my usual jovial manner.Maybe something happens when we kill stuff and turn it into tadpole food something is lost. If i can get our tinc froglets to that elusive size of their parents,then maybe just maybe animal protien in this live form is what's been missing.
A couple of little things,if one is using uvb,then always make it possible for tad to get out of the sun,self regulation, by tad is king. Second i said I'd report back and update on our rearing system,still good maybe 100 plus tads through it now,losses are standing at one.
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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:16 pm

Tadpoles rolling and nipping pieces off a dead caiman....forgot how f'in funny that was. I've got to get one of my buddies to put that on a t-shirt.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby aaneetha » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 am

Does the species of tadpole matter when feeding? I believe they're Woodhouse's Toad tadpoles. I'm feeding them boiled/frozen lettuce, but on Monday I'm going to get blood worms because a few of the tadpoles look about ready to sprout limbs.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:12 pm

Lettuce is definitely not going to cut it. Add a local dead,dried oak leaf as well as provide some small amounts of fish flake. Blood worms sound like a good idea to me, as well. Don't wait too long - a few days without proper food could be disastrous.

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby TonyI25 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:32 pm

Hey does anyone know if algae pellets would work for feeding tads?

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby Philsuma » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:24 pm

TonyI25 wrote:Hey does anyone know if algae pellets would work for feeding tads?


Yep..I used em before. Tetra algae wafers or some such...

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Re: Sticky - Tadpole care and feeding

Postby TonyI25 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:07 pm

OK cool. I figured they would since its basically what tadpoles eat or what they graze on. I have some vanzo tads I'm trying to raise for the first time.

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