Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:48 pm

Rich,

For most of us...this is a hobby - a luxury hobby and as such.....full of choices and options.

I try hard to provide the truth, post expansive information that most do not, level the playing field, stick up for those who are oppressed.

Marcus and his business practice is head and shoulders better than all the other importer operations I have seen, and that has impressed me to the point where I feel I need to relay that information to others. Is it perfect ? No. Is there room for improvement ? Yep - always.

Do you seriously think you have me in a "gotcha" moment ? I direct new people to CB animals and you know why. I recommend a lot of things - To not medicate in lots of instances, but then again....there are times when I would recommend medications for example. There are a couple importers that I would buy from and several I would not.

I do not have a policy of all CB. I don't have a black and white policy on a ton of things hobby related.

I do have a Black and White Avatar and some black and white tattoos....

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RichFrye » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:03 pm

What I'm "getting at" is that you have much better options for managable , site specifc , CB, healthy frogs and you choose not to take advantage of it. I still have not gotten an answer as to why. After asking four times.
It has zero to due with meds, sticking up for the oppressed, or how much you post on forums. Tell me the downside (all things equal) with buying a frog that has been CB and is site specific (or not) vs. a WC frog.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:23 am

RichFrye wrote:What I'm "getting at" is that you have much better options for managable , site specifc , CB, healthy frogs and you choose not to take advantage of it. I still have not gotten an answer as to why. After asking four times.
It has zero to due with meds, sticking up for the oppressed, or how much you post on forums. Tell me the downside (all things equal) with buying a frog that has been CB and is site specific (or not) vs. a WC frog.



Hey goofball....In addtion to WC frogs I have bought and CONTINUE to buy CB frogs. There ARE CB frogs in my collection.

Did you have some misguided idea that every frog in my collection came from Marcus ?

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RichFrye » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:31 am

Philsuma wrote:
RichFrye wrote:What I'm "getting at" is that you have much better options for managable , site specifc , CB, healthy frogs and you choose not to take advantage of it. I still have not gotten an answer as to why. After asking four times.
It has zero to due with meds, sticking up for the oppressed, or how much you post on forums. Tell me the downside (all things equal) with buying a frog that has been CB and is site specific (or not) vs. a WC frog.



Hey goofball....In addtion to WC frogs I have bought and CONTINUE to buy CB frogs. There ARE CB frogs in my collection.

Did you have some misguided idea that every frog in my collection came from Marcus ?


I guess I'll never get that answer I've asked for many times.
Out.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby edwardsatc » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:42 pm

edwardsatc wrote:And I'd be willing to bet my collection that, other than a few of the rarer morphs that have come in, his pumilio source in Panama is the same source as Strictly, etc ...


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edwardsatc wrote:And I'd be willing to bet my collection that, other than a few of the rarer morphs that have come in, his pumilio source in Panama is the same source as Strictly, etc ...


hmmmm....It is possible,but when all those Escudo came in....I somehow don't think that Marcus would be able to pry all those "high end" pums away from Mike and Ray, had they all been part of the same shipment. They may not know frogs as much as Reptiles, but I'm sure Strickley would have wanted a chance to bite a nice little piece of that luscious Escudo apple and not let Marcus have it all.


SNDF currently has an ad on another forum offering El Dorado, Cristobal, Almirante, and Escudo. Again, with the exception of Escudo, same morphs as the other importers are offering right now. Coincidence again?

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby JJuchems » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:09 am

No and another importer has received Escudos (and Uyama Rivers), very limited and sold quickly. They have a nice premium.

After several emails, I did have brief conversations in January with the people in Panama when I first found the website.
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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RichFrye » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:42 pm

Beaten to death.
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Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby JJuchems » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:48 pm

JJuchems wrote:No and another importer has received Escudos (and Uyama Rivers), very limited and sold quickly. They have a nice premium.

After several emails, I did have brief conversations in January with the people in Panama when I first found the website.


Interesting getting an email for a old thread update...I post the above back in April and it gets re-dated after the post on the other forum. Why beat a dead horse...

By the way Rich I need a short bridge bridge, prefer orange in color...
Later and Happy Frogging,
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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RichFrye » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:53 pm

JJuchems wrote:
JJuchems wrote:No and another importer has received Escudos (and Uyama Rivers), very limited and sold quickly. They have a nice premium.

After several emails, I did have brief conversations in January with the people in Panama when I first found the website.


Interesting geting an email for a old threrad update...I post the above back in April and it gets re-dated after the post on the other forum. Why beat a dead horse...

By the way Rich I need a short bridge bridge, prefer orange in color...


Just shoot me over the Paypal payment and I'll USPS you your blaze orange bridge and free toll booth right away. There'll also be a big old box of all the actual farm raised pums I can find you sitting on the booth seat. Free of charge of course. :wink:
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Tony » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:57 pm

RichFrye wrote:There'll also be a big old box of all the actual farm raised pums I can find you sitting on the booth seat. Free of charge of course. :wink:


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RichFrye » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:02 pm

I do reserve the right to crack at least myself up, every once in awhile.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:10 pm

About "old threads" and bump-ages.....

I STILL get PM's on "the other Forums" about EVERYTHING.....frogs for sale, if breeders are good or not, and in this case - the perpetual urban frog legend -The existance of the Elusive, FROG FARM :shock:

INSTEAD of posting and reposting, beating and re-beating posts "over there"....I'm going to bump posts over here on this forum for every PM I get over there.

If that bothers anyone...please hit the delete bottom.



and yes Rich...that's some funny shit about the bridges.

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:08 pm

Still seeing some people claim that Panama is "closing"....

I personally, have been out of touch with my SoFl importers of late so I have no knowledge of this (soon to be rectified with a trip down south, of course).

If it does close.....say hello to a new crop of smugglers ready to take your dinero.

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:36 pm

To "break in" to the export biz in Panama.....requires a lot of caishe.

If you are not fluent in Spanish - expect to pay 200 % more for everything, for instance.

Don't know any locals ? Aren't connected to anyone down there ? No friends ? - Price just went up again.

Don't know anyone in the government section that covers permits and exports - Price went up and this time....your TIME / wait just increased by several months or 1/2 a year.

Permits, fuel, Labour (unless you think that you are going to catch them all by hand yourself.lol) fees, grease money.

Exporting from Panama is something I researched with a couple key hobbyists more than a few times. It's....daunting, to say the least.

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby RanaVenenosa » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:40 pm

I Love this thread.... especially Phils commentary on how to break into the import biz in Latin America.

Ok, so my thoughts... listen, here is how to settle the argument. If the IRS says you can get a farmstead exemption for "dart frog husbandry management" in a foreign country then I will buy into the idea. Otherwise.... its the stuff legends are made of...
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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:15 pm

The "Black Jungle" expedition just got back from the Bocas and thereabouts....

Evidence of Frog Farms = Zero

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:25 pm

Here's some pic's I snapped of the closest thing I know of- to a "farm". S.E Costa Rica 2009

This was a business of a Cali expat of @ 17 years who planted a ton of seeds for some really odd stuff like Cuban palms and some really exotic plants that I only wish I knew even the tiniest thing about...

anyhoo...

The pumilio were "encouraged" to live amongst the bromeliads and plants and it was truly and open air vivarium, The frogs were walking all around the broms and the cinderblocks. Magic.

No one was allowed to take or molest the frogs but I can't help but wonder if a brom was purchased and had some frogs in it...
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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby Philsuma » Wed May 02, 2012 8:12 pm

bumping this for some of the newer members here. There are no frog farms for Pumilio in Panama. There may be holding facilities or collection structures, but there is no actual raising of F1, or frogs raised in captivity- pumilio for the U.S pet trade.

O. pumilio are collected from different areas, mainly by call locating a calling male (wonder why they come in male heavy) by locals and take to a mass collection area and then shipped out. There is no GPS data / no locale information. Hobbyists are left to maintain the animals by importer info and year of import followed by as close a visual identification with existing guides and pictures.

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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby thedude » Thu May 03, 2012 2:16 am

Philsuma wrote:bumping this for some of the newer members here. There are no frog farms for Pumilio in Panama. There may be holding facilities or collection structures, but there is no actual raising of F1, or frogs raised in captivity- pumilio for the U.S pet trade.

O. pumilio are collected from different areas, mainly by call locating a calling male (wonder why they come in male heavy) by locals and take to a mass collection area and then shipped out. There is no GPS data / no locale information. Hobbyists are left to maintain the animals by importer info and year of import followed by as close a visual identification with existing guides and pictures.


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Re: Dart Frog "Farms", do they exist ?

Postby sidney ferrell » Thu May 03, 2012 2:53 am

When certain morphs get taken to the farm, govt requires them to place them through "experimental breeding phase", in order to clear for commercial expirtation. I have heard this straight from the exporter and the man in charge of the acquisition of every frog. What does that all mean??? Beats me. But it is what I was told.


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