'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

Oophaga arborea
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Tuckinrim8
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'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Tuckinrim8 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:52 pm

Armson wrote:

I have... what I thought was a pair in a 24x24x18 and I noticed the male was chasing and calling (I thought)... and now he is just chasing her.

I am starting to think I might have 2 males.


-Byron


Have you tried separating them? Got any pics of the two?

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Re: 'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

Postby goods » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:42 pm

From Wikiri: http://notiwikiri.blogspot.com/2013/01/insight-into-natural-variation-of-frogs.html

"At Otokiki, similar large variation in colors and patterns is represented in quadrats under management by Wikiri (three habitat-enriched semiclosed enclosures, one enriched open quadrat), and in one control (not enriched) quadrat."

The variation that we are seeing currently in the hobby is what the population currently is today in the Otokiki Reserve...Could this population have been manipulated by humans 20 years ago?...Sure, but unless someone has a time machine we won't know that for sure. What we do know for sure is that there are yellow, red, brown, etc., etc. phenotype frogs in the same general area in the reserve. This is a snapshot of the population as it is today.

The quote above explains that the natural variation in the control plot is very close to the variation in plots that those involved with this program have manipulated to provide us with these frogs. Nowhere in the remarks about the research going on with these frogs have I found them (Wikiri) questioning whether the variation is natural or unnatural. They are researching the cause of the variation, not the credibility.

The people involved with this program have done a great service to us by providing CB legal large obligates. They also live with the frogs and have seen them in their natural habitat for years. They know what they're doing...I have no reason to doubt them. If they wanted us to keep them separate phenotypically, they would be brought in as O. sylvatica 'Paru-red', 'Paru-yellow', etc., etc. In my opinion, it would be unwise of us to potentially limit the genetic variability of captive populations (of a frog that has been notorioulsly hard to keep in the hobby in the past...) by deciding on our own that there are separate morphs within the overarching locale 'Paru'.
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Re: 'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Stu&Shaz » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:47 am

Hi Chris,it's taken me a while to find your name apologies for the earlier Tuck :D Chris did you morphout a red paru with black legs,apologies if my memory is incorrect. If so could we have a picture please of how that individual looks now,and any other paru shots you might have would be a bonus too

much thanks

Stu


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