What's with all the Oophaga sylvatica suddenly?

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Re: Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby RichFrye » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:39 am

ChrisK wrote:You got my email address :P gonna be a while though, only got to F2 so far.


We'll have to sign a contract Chris. I know your stuff is in high demand and I'd hate to get bumped by some strange obligate black hole event. :wink: :D :wink: :shock:
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby ChrisK » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 am

thedude wrote:
Considering there are only a handful of real site specific large obligates (Paru being the only one I can think of) with known local info and not from questionable origins, that could take a while :wink:


I think most of the Colombian ones can be considered site specific based on morph, histos aren't like pumilio. An orange bullseye doesn't look like a red head, which doesn't look like a caramel, etc.

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Re: Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby ChrisK » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:42 am

RichFrye wrote:some strange obligate black hole event. :wink: :D :wink: :shock:

Yeah, imagine what kind of scum sucker would want to actually initiate one of those?................ :shock:

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby thedude » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:51 am

ChrisK wrote:I think most of the Colombian ones can be considered site specific based on morph, histos aren't like pumilio. An orange bullseye doesn't look like a red head, which doesn't look like a caramel, etc.


It still isn't 100% but ya for the most part I suppose. Although, I've heard all the bulls eye morphs are close to each other, but still separate populations. Could be wrong though.

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RichFrye wrote:some strange obligate black hole event. :wink: :D :wink: :shock:

Yeah, imagine what kind of scum sucker would want to actually initiate one of those?................ :shock:


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Re: Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby RichFrye » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:57 am

ChrisK wrote:
RichFrye wrote:some strange obligate black hole event. :wink: :D :wink: :shock:

...Scum suckers, nee... scum sucker would want to actually initiate one of those?................ :shock:
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby RichFrye » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:54 am

ChrisK wrote:
thedude wrote:
Considering there are only a handful of real site specific large obligates (Paru being the only one I can think of) with known local info and not from questionable origins, that could take a while :wink:


I think most of the Colombian ones can be considered site specific based on morph, histos aren't like pumilio. An orange bullseye doesn't look like a red head, which doesn't look like a caramel, etc.


Another way to say , they are not polymorphic within breeding groups.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby Philsuma » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:09 pm

Hmmm...^^^ Took me a while to decipher the above tongue-in-cheek poke......but I finally got it all by myself...

Chris....I bet one of your favourite movies is that classic sci-fi horror film from 1978 staring Donald Sutherland...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_o ... (1978_film)

Invasion of the Mod-dy snatchers ? (Changed it fer ya).

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby Philsuma » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:14 pm

on a Serious note.

I've gotten 3 PM's recently on 'Sylvaticas imports " and availability in the U.S. It seems there are TWO different people claiming to have 'site specific research animals" and a couple different people claiming to have E.U imports directly to the U.S

Are the "Floodgates" opening on this species ?

Is it becoming the newest 'washed' animal since R. vanzolinii ??

Very sad if so....I would think Mark P. has to be sad.

What do you folks think ? Thoughts ? Opinions ?

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby JJuchems » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:28 pm

Philsuma wrote:I've gotten 3 PM's recently on 'Sylvaticas imports " and availability in the U.S. It seems there are TWO different people claiming to have 'site specific research animals"


I believe there are three people total.

Philsuma wrote:and a couple different people claiming to have E.U imports directly to the U.S


Apparently they went to a vendor of NARBC Arlington Show directly to Arlington, or there maybe multiple imports.
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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby BluePumilio » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:34 pm

I saw some today for sale, mostly adults. Looked good, but certainly they are illegal. Sure, they may have been cleared in the USA by USFWS, but that means nothing. I'd tread lightly. If I was Mark P. and the good people working hard in Columbia, I'd be pissed.

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby JJuchems » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:38 pm

San Antonio Show? Taron's table?
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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby BluePumilio » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Yep.

Taron was nice enough and only had some stellar looking animals there. A good selection and nice presentation. I personally am not happy with smuggled guys (to Europe and then "legally" export out, which would be a Lacey Act violation), though. These looked cleaned enough to be CB, but even then, the parents would have been illegal. Though, usually CB are smaller then the adults he has. He did have a small one in a group.

Until USFWS says otherwise, I'll consider them a tone of grey.

JJuchems wrote:San Antonio Show? Taron's table?

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby cbreon » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:42 am

anyone have any pics they can share from the new imports?

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:08 am

cbreon wrote:anyone have any pics they can share from the new imports?


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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby cbreon » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:10 pm

I was referring to the non-Paru, new imports. Are there any pics of the EU/Research Sylvaticus?

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby BluePumilio » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:43 pm

I heard that they were not research frogs, but Euro imports.

cbreon wrote:I was referring to the non-Paru, new imports. Are there any pics of the EU/Research Sylvaticus?

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Re: What's with all the Sylvatica suddenly?

Postby thedude » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:00 pm

BluePumilio wrote:I heard that they were not research frogs, but Euro imports.

cbreon wrote:I was referring to the non-Paru, new imports. Are there any pics of the EU/Research Sylvaticus?


Both research and euro imports have been said. Sounds to me like the ones saying Euro are being honest ;)
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Re: What's with all the Oophaga sylvatica suddenly?

Postby cbreon » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:14 am

Whatever the case, does anyone have any pics of the newly imported euro sylvaticus?

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Re: What's with all the Oophaga sylvatica suddenly?

Postby Philsuma » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:36 am

Here are 2 prices for Taron's Sylvatica...

O. sylvatica "rio durang " $500

O. sylvatica "alto tambo" $500

From one of his sale ads.

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Re: What's with all the Oophaga sylvatica suddenly?

Postby stemcellular » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:22 pm

Can't speak for Taron's, but the other ones that came in do have CITES and were part of a legit. research project. And no, I didn't get any. I spent all my frog cash on little brown frogs. :)


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