As you know better than most friends I talk to Aaron, we have laughed about it more that a few times, I am not one to simply go by what one scientist or student decides to put out as a paper.
What I do is go by a combination of science and
By personal experience I know all darts I've work with breed true. By science Summers has proven what we would expect.
Now, I need a bit of science to tell me why I should throw out both science and personal experience and start mixing very distinctly different phenotypes from what is presented as the only highly polymorphic dart population known to man.
I have read by those involved that there needs to be scientific testing for them to understand what is going on, and I have read that a paper going into greater detail is forthcoming. I need to see what comes of both those pronounced needs for info.
Anybody know what lita looks like? A bullseye? Kois? Yes we do. Is there some variance? Of course, but no mud. We should breed as like to like as possible
and do the best we can to match like to like. If and when it has been proven scientifically one way or another, and we can duplicate like to like or constant mud, and we take into account all the variables presented both by scientists and by experienced breeders and those who have seen many, many populations in the wild...we'll have a better idea of how to breed these. Until then I want to keep as unmixed as possible and will strive to do so.
So how would you separate those frogs? 5 populations or 1 and where would you draw the lines? How often do those "populations" interbreed? Do they all interbreed on the "fringes"?
Just breed like to like?
edwardsatc wrote: RichFrye wrote:
One Summers paper stating;
"...different colour morphs of this frog are true breeding
even when bred under identical conditions, while hybrids between colour morphs appear intermediate
, consistent with genetic control of coloration."http://core.ecu.edu/biol/summersk/summe ... umilio.pdf
Some additional food for thought - the article also states:
"Among the mainland populations there appears to be some evidence for clinal variation proceeding from the outskirts of Chiriqui Grande (near the Guabo River) north-west towards Almirante (Fig. 2, populations 13, 12 and 11). The clinal variation is particularly apparent with respect to dorsal colour and pattern, and proceeds as follows: Guabo River (green), Robalo River (black with yellow stripes), Uyama River (black with whitish stripes). Frogs that appeared intermediate between the green Guabo River frogs and the yellow-striped Robalo frogs have been found between these two populations (K. Summers, pers. observ.) although they were not sampled in this study. They show a yellowish-green dorsal colour, with dark stripes or blotches. The Robalo River and the Uyama River populations show similar striped patterns, but the Robalo River populations have consistently yellow stripes, whereas the stripes on the Uyama River frogs tend to be more whitish, with a wide variety of tints."
A scientific paper? Did you really just use a poorly written junior year Herpetology class assignment as a citation? C'mon Rich, you can do better than that.