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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby RichFrye » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:32 pm

morten müller wrote:Hello again

Thanks for reply

I would like to emphasize that all material presented in my terrariums from the nature such as oak root, oak chips, and tropical leaf, are cleaned or heat-treated before use, it is same with the film container, but I can not determiner that pollution could have been my problem ?



I'm not sure what the factor was causing misshapen froglets, but clean film cans were not the cause. I have found that they very few times I have had SLS in a few froglets it was prompted by stress. Once the frogs settled in, no more SLS.

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I personally violated that bromeliads have several advantages over film containers, First of all. My frogs use these plater for many things besides feet up tadpoles, they are used to sleep in, shit in, breed in.


I don't think "violated' is the word you are looking for , :wink: . And, your "Chinese English" is much, much better than my Chinese Danish.
My frogs sleep, shit and breed in cans too, just as with broms.

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Another great benefit is that these plants contain large amounts of microclima in their dried leaves, when my young is gone ashore they stay in the bromeliad to eat the first few weeks before going to the bottom of the terrarium, another advantage is that they are closer to the top of the terrarium and in this way can receive UVB light from the first day of their lives, I think it is a matter of taste whether you use Bromelias or film containers. there are a lot of difference ways to keep these species, and I'm sure there are more advantage with film containers as I do not know about, but I breed fine without :D



I use the term "microclimates to describe area to settle into that are warmer or cooler, drier or wetter, more or less sunny etc.
Leaf litter carries just as much micro-fauna as dying or living broms, and infact when I do have one of the few broms I use die it falls into leaf litter on the substrate.
We are talking about grannies specifically here and I know they like less light than many other obligate species.
And, after reading the effects of UVB on one froggers collection of vivs and all the destruction it caused , I am keeping my frogs on a low radiation diet. It's not a contest to see who breeds more...but you've not owned grannies either . :wink:


morten müller wrote:I do not think the size of the tank is so important for the well being and breeding of the obligates species, as long as they frogs fit together, I only keep my oophagas in pairs, In the same context I very much agree that it is very important to have a good microclima to keep oophaga species the best way, but a good microclima can also consist all over the terrarium and not only in the ground cover, that's why I user xaxim/bromeliads, ant I do not cover my terrarium pages wiht with xaxim so the frogs feel more comfortable, I use xaxim for a better microclima, another advantage is that xaxim maintain a good humidity and provides the good environment for the frogs also, therefore I can easily breed the small oophage species in small terrariums, but agin only in pairs. To the larger species of oophagas I use a setup which is about 32 gallons

Again I must express my doubts about the Granulifera, since I never had the opportunity to work with this species


I totally agree that there are many different ways to successfully breed grannies.
But bigger is always better, all things equal.
I've always been open about my tips and pics and such with my frogs , especially my grannies which hold a place dear to me, so if there are any other questions, as opposed to what others are doing differently I'm open to discussion. I'm open to debate also, but I think we have both made our points.
Questions asked and answered...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:56 am

Hi Rich

Thanks for your patience with me, I try to be as humble as possible :roll:

I'm sorry if my answers for you act as if I want to debating, who is not my idea with this post, I am afraid my "Chinese English" makes it difficult for us to communicate.

If I may explain why I'm posting this post here in dartden.com

We are only 3 people who raise oophags in Denmark, and two of us have dedicated our hobby only for this species, so it is very difficult to get inspiration/info around Granulifera her in Europe. There are not many who breed this species, and those who do are from Germany and their "Chinese English" is much worse than mine, so it's even harder to communicate :(

I'm sure I will use your posts to buildup a setup for Granulifera, and would love to have the opportunity to post questions again if that's okay?
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby RichFrye » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:44 am

Hi Morten,
I think you are doing a fine job of communicating.
Please feel free to question away, here or via emails, as in the past.
Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Stu&Shaz » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:07 pm

Morten,Rich ,thanks great informative thread,this is why it's worth visiting the den!!

Rich I guess the question is directed at you,because it is about film cans,how and what is the best way to sterilise a can ready for oophaga,fundamentally I don't have an issue,my oophaga are just fine,with broms or cans it seems,but it might be beginner's luck so an education please,how does one prepare a film can for oophaga?

Wicked informative thread,cheers both 8)

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby RichFrye » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:25 pm

Hi Stu,
I just bleach the cans with a diluted solution and then wash them with dish detergent a few times then let them 'age' sitting in bins before I use them.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Stu&Shaz » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:00 pm

RichFrye wrote:Hi Stu,
I just bleach the cans with a diluted solution and then wash them with dish detergent a few times then let them 'age' sitting in bins before I use them.

Hi Rich,
Just to be clear Rich, bleach say 5- 10%? Sitting in bins= sitting in "frog safe" water? It will never cease to amaze me how different our commonly spoken language is Rich,dish soap would have me floored ,but for a certain frogger I speak too.We never use this term,I'm sort of writing this.because I thought it might amuse,if a brit says to you pass the fairy,don't worry ,nowt is untoward,they just want some of this dish soap stuff :roll:

Much thanks

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby RichFrye » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:51 pm

Stu&Shaz wrote:
RichFrye wrote:Hi Stu,
I just bleach the cans with a diluted solution and then wash them with dish detergent a few times then let them 'age' sitting in bins before I use them.

Hi Rich,
Just to be clear Rich, bleach say 5- 10%? Sitting in bins= sitting in "frog safe" water? It will never cease to amaze me how different our commonly spoken language is Rich,dish soap would have me floored ,but for a certain frogger I speak too.We never use this term,I'm sort of writing this.because I thought it might amuse,if a brit says to you pass the fairy,don't worry ,nowt is untoward,they just want some of this dish soap stuff :roll:

Much thanks

Stu

Whatever I bleach going in-viv is at least 10% , no more than 15.
Sitting in dry bins , no water. Box, tubs, bins...
If you guys would just admit defeat and start speaking like us it would be much easier on most of us Stu. Still upset about smoking a fag.
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby DianeCarter » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:03 pm

This will be a major derailment, but I can't help myself. I love accents, and communication with people of different countries. My late hubby Kurt and I went to Italy way back in 1999 for our 15 year anniversary. For dinners we tried to go to little neighborhood eateries, and one night after a lovely meal, I needed to use the restroom. None in sight. I grabbed my little English/Italian language guide, and looked up restroom...nothing. Bathroom...nothing. I found "room of the bath", and asked our waiter where it was. He looked at me in disbelief for a moment, then burst out laughing. He finally said "toilet", and pointed down a hallway. He later managed to communicate to me that I was asking to take a bath!!!
Sorry for the derailment!
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Stu&Shaz » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:38 am

Diane,restroom :roll: :lol:

Rich,I only found out that last discrepancy recently :shock: ,ahh We'll never admit defeat,we have too much fun trying to communicate this way :D .

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Philsuma » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:55 pm

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby DrNick » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:00 am

I seem to need to rest a lot when I'm in the states - it's a tiring place to be and great that you guys have rooms designed specifically for the purpose. If it were me though I would jettison the lav and install a hammock instead.... The sink and tap (sorry... faucet...) can stay. Always nice to freshen up after a lie down.

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:33 am

I know I created this post last year to learn more about the structure and design by a granny set-up. But anyway, I will like to conclude with these photos of my new 1.1 Oophaga Granulifera "Quepos"

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:53 pm

I think my set-up seemes to work just fine :D

The Granis has now laid eggs 3 times since I posted photos last time, I must by a lucky man, I was expecting more trouble with this species and locality, it is the first time these frogs breed, and they are about a year old ( breed as F1 in Germany)

Femal
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Eggs from today
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Philsuma » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:44 pm

Very nice !!

I see they use the 'removable tray' in Europe.

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:23 pm

Hey phill

Not all breeder use 'removable tray' but I have always used the method for all my oophaga species, I felt that way works best for me, especially when any bad eggs must become discards or cleaning is required for use again.
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:52 am

First pick-up.

0.1 oophaga granulifera "quepos"
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby morten müller » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:50 pm

Hello Dartden.

Happy New Year to you all.

Today I found the first sustainable Granulifera cubs from my "quepos" line.

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby MELLOWROO421 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:27 pm

Here is a pic of the viv I have set up for my pair of Quepos. It measures 36x20x20. It has 5 broms and 15-20 film cans. They have laid 2 clutches, the first was only 3 eggs and did not last long. The second clutch was huge (see pic). They have only been together since 5/20 but seem to like each other so far. I'll post updates as the eggs/tads/hopefully froglets progress.
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Sorry for the blurry pics. I'll try and get better ones soon. Any suggestions/advice would always be appreciated.
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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:31 pm

although I have yet to actually own any, I am constantly taking care of and observing 3 different granulifera morphs at a friends house. While not at my residence or in my frog room, I still try to get hours of observation in.

I personally believe that they benefit highly from a 'canopy' arrangement or hardscape wherein there is a large wood feature or similar ledge creating a dark overhang area. That, and as per usual , a lot of good leaf litter. The high intensity lighting has been mentioned with several granny keepers as 'not optimal'. Seems they benefit from the low level light together with a bit more plantings and heavy growth.

Also, while Rich reports success with film cups only, I think that they do quite well with bromeliads.

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Re: Oophaga granulifera setup

Postby MELLOWROO421 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:32 pm

A quick update with my current set up. I have made no changes. They continue to lay often but last night was my first time catching the female in transport. Looks like they are comfortable.
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