Controversial Question on Shipping Temperatures

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Controversial Question on Shipping Temperatures

Postby MichiganExotics » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:01 pm

i have to send 6 frogs to other state the problem here in Michigan we having a low temperature as you see in the picture but they having from the mid 45f to 49f the guy its desperate for me to ship them even he told me that his friend receive frogs when it was 20f :shock: i don't wanna send the little frogs and he get dead ones. i told him "i don't do shipments under 40f" i did not warranty the frogs that's all on him. when i order my 2 shipments from SR. i wait even a month because i don't wanna risk them what you guys will do?


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Re: Controvercial Question

Postby Philsuma » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:34 pm

EASY one for me to choose, and I hope others would agree.

Wait for warmer weather. It's right around the corner as well, not like you have to wait 6-8 weeks.

Why rush to ship and endanger the frogs ???

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Postby RichFrye » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:36 pm

Absolutely nothing shipped with lows below freezing for me.
Hurry and this hobby don't mix.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby MichiganExotics » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:54 pm

thanks guys i agreed whit you 100%

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby sPaRX » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:59 pm

Not for nothing phase 22 panels double boxed will get them there no harm, especially when the receivers temp will be just about the 50s

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby sidney ferrell » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:09 pm

sPaRX wrote:Not for nothing phase 22 panels double boxed will get them there no harm, especially when the receivers temp will be just about the 50s

Pack warm and youll be fine. Not like theyll be in michigan all night before shipping. Boxes are kept in bins overnight that are in the 70s ... Heat pack on top and bottom and a few gel packs...ph22s instead on gels if you want

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby MichiganExotics » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:28 pm

yes i have all that the problem its going to NY even if they have 45f. here in Michigan if you take the box to fedex at 12 midday they hold the boxes in the truck all afternoon the plane always leave at 10 pm and that's my concern. now the big question and we all know big companies like LLL, BIG APPLE, etc they don't ship it at lower temperatures from 40f they are in business longer than us they must do it for a reason.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby RichFrye » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:11 pm

Anybody have to chase a box down for a couple/few days due to lost or otherwise situations? Multiple times?

Great shipping temps are right around the corner.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby sidney ferrell » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:00 am

Sorry juan... Misread ... Thought you were in mid 40s
Absolutely no shipping under 45-40...even if live arrival isnt guaranteed. buyer will thank you for this.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby cbreon » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:55 am

I currently have a couple shipments waiting to go out but the temps aren't quite there yet. I double styro box with phase panels, gel packs and heat packs. Would my shipments arrive ok right now? I think they would be fine, but the fact is, if the frogs die everyone loses and you are likely the one that loses the money. For those reasons, I wait until its right, and everyone I have ever dealt with has been understanding after some explanation.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby pa.walt » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:54 pm

i am curious, has anyone gotten stuff from strictly in the winter months. and how where they packed. since they have stuff that they don't/can't sit on for warmer weather. for me its temps in th low to mid 30s at night.
wish i knew someone in fla. could ship to them and they could repack it better and ship to me. :) or if i was closer i would drive down.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby RichFrye » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:05 pm

I know of two guys here who got winter shipments this winter from Jr. who lost the shipments. And unless you are a very good customer ($$$), you pay for the replacements.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby KGB » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:19 pm

I have gotten shipments and sent out multiple all winter without incident. One package even took two days and the frogs were fine. Great packing is key. Cryopacks, heat packs, and drop off as late as possible with 1030 delivery UPS. Just my 2 cents, but others that have been doing this much longer obviously have more experience, so i would trust what they say.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby BluePumilio » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:49 pm

You know, people here offer that. :)

pa.walt wrote:i am curious, has anyone gotten stuff from strictly in the winter months. and how where they packed. since they have stuff that they don't/can't sit on for warmer weather. for me its temps in th low to mid 30s at night.
wish i knew someone in fla. could ship to them and they could repack it better and ship to me. :) or if i was closer i would drive down.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby cbreon » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:03 pm

KGB wrote:I have gotten shipments and sent out multiple all winter without incident. One package even took two days and the frogs were fine. Great packing is key. Cryopacks, heat packs, and drop off as late as possible with 1030 delivery UPS. Just my 2 cents, but others that have been doing this much longer obviously have more experience, so i would trust what they say.


I would agree that late dropoff, preferably at a hub and good packagaing and materials will greatly reduce your chances of an issue or loss. However, weird things like a lengthy stay, exposed on a tarmac, can be bad, especially with extreme temps.

Another thing you cant compensate for is poor handling. You can have them double boxed, with heat packs, phase panels, cryo packs, packaging peanuts and if someone shake the hell out of your box it might kill the frogs...also, heat packs and cryo packs can explode causing issues as well...some thoughts

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby RichFrye » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:29 pm

I have personally had multiple, multiple heat pacs that went bad. Both by being WAY tooo hot, and duds that while they seemed to be kicking petered out way before delivery.

Bottom line, why would there be a big rush unless you are dealing with guys who HAVE to pump 'em in and then pump 'em out right away.

Why anybody would deal with businesses like that is beyond me. Well, not quite true. I have a good guess...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby BluePumilio » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:40 pm

I ship during all temps, just not during storms that could cause delays. I test all heat packs. I also pack different then anyone I know. I haven't had a problem in over a decade. Not quite that simple, it does take some skill, and if in doubt, wait. Frogs health comes first.

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby cbreon » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:53 pm

RichFrye wrote:Bottom line, why would there be a big rush unless you are dealing with guys who HAVE to pump 'em in and then pump 'em out right away.
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agreed, this approach should raise some flags...

BluePumilio wrote:I ship during all temps, just not during storms that could cause delays. I test all heat packs. I also pack different then anyone I know. I haven't had a problem in over a decade. Not quite that simple, it does take some skill, and if in doubt, wait. Frogs health comes first.


Sometimes its as simple as bad luck...avoiding extreme temps is an easy way to greatly minimize the risks of shipping. Although there are plenty of us that feel our preperation can greatly reduce the threat posed by temps, even extreme temps, but its really not worth the risk... If something does happen, what was the big rush? There's usualy good temps right around the corner...

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Re: Controversial Question on Shipping Temps

Postby MichiganExotics » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:02 pm

i did have 2 but in one shipment i have to wait 3 weeks and other one, one month i wait until was 45f to 48f all shipment were good 30 frogs and all still good living and kicking actually i all ready have eggs from one pair of escudos


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