OK this is a rant and I try to avoid these, but I think it's needed to spark a debate. I'll throw this out there - if we don't improve our standards in managing our hobby lines we are no better than Dart Frog Warehouse / USA Frog. There. I said it. hock:

I cannot believe folks are crossing NAIB D. tinctorius "True Sipaliwini" with the 2012 imports that were originally labelled as Blue Sips on KS and re-identified as True Sips by hobbyists without any proof of site data correlated to the NAIB import. There was talk at the time of the import how another importer said that Suriname Cobalts often threw patterns resembling these animals (as posted on another forum). There was further talk about trying to go back to the importer and get site data, but nothing ever came of it. Now this, crossing NAIB animals with these 2012 True Blue Sips...

How is this any better than DFW crossing locales and sorting animals by phenotype?

Why are we not doing a better job managing out founders stock and talking about how to ensure we maintain lineages? This is not an effort limited to Pumilio. We should be caring just as much about tinctorius. Is it because they are "cheap"? Or easy to breed? An NAIB True Sip is one of the most uncommon and unique tinctorius in the hobby. If we don't pay attention to it, we're no better than DFW.

It seems to me as a hobby we focus more on "wide" collections with limited programs to sustain our stock rather than "deep" collections with multiple pairs of groups or animals that can maintain these representations of different less popular locales in our hobby. I'm not suggesting everyone has to do this, but as a hobby shouldn't we be more concerned about the sustainability of our stock?

As one frogger recently put it to me, it's our privilege to house these animals and we need to do a better job maintaining them. Perhaps as a hobbyist, should we each be selecting a project frog where we focus on multiple unrelated or less related pairs as a way to give back and sustain our hobby?

I am getting multiple and numerous detections of 'malware' on DB from my anti virus protection program - Kaspersky.

Seems like some sort of data collection attempt by the owner of DB - Vertical scope. Anyone else with additional info?

I see UE mentioned quite often on here and for what I understand its a non US source but other than that I don't understand. So could someone explain what UE is?

Does anyone know a good source for larger cork tubes that are at least 2 1/2 ft. long? There was a company in Maryland that specializes in cork that supposed had them but when I tried to contact them I never got a reply. This was a couple of years ago and now I'm getting serious about a large build. The company name of that particular place was Maryland Cork Co. I do know that they sell cork logs.

So I went to the Atlanta Repticon today and had a great time I also pick up some beautiful Yellow head from under the canopy farms June and Tom brown give me a great deal please check them out

I'm looking for a few Dendrobates Auratus Turquoise & Bronze. Not to old, prefferably young.

DFW Reptarium is such an awesome place with super friendly people to help and give great advice. Thanks, David, for helping set up frog tank!

Here are a few thoughts:
These need to be supported by the frog community and vendors that are selling to the frog community.
Many things are accomplished: knowing who is in the area, hey ffys crash and others will help locally, plus answering questions seeing frog rooms etc. All questions are answered face to face and knowledge is shared without bias. Some frogs may be sold or traded but IME it's typically a gathering of individuals with darts having a good time meeting and greeting. These are really important to the hobby and should be encouraged by other areas, states. While I would love to attend Frog Day or Microcosm it is not feasible for most of us.
Their are specific vendors that are willing to pay it forward to these events and those that do not.
My thoughts are why not?
What are the ramifications in the long run?
Rant over.

Finally got a picture of this little guy who lives in our bird house. It's a "Copes" (common grey) tree frog. We live in Middle Tennessee and every spring they sing all night long. I guess he/she has found a safe new home!
Mike

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